13 posts • Page 1 of 2 • 1, 2. Enamel thinner is mostly naphtha AKA mineral spirits or paint thinner. One problem you might find with using lacquer paints is getting hold of them in the first place. Lacquer Lasts a Long Time. Wither or not Testors Spray Lacquer Dull/Gloss coat can be applied over acrylics has come up before on this forum. You can use one coat to seal the wood. But most newcomers to the world of arts and crafts don´t know how … What Materials Can You Use Acrylic Paint on – A Full List Read More » However, lacquer paint can bubble and crack if not applied effectively with the correct technique. Sorry for the noob question,but I am wondering if I can spray Tamiya Lacquer(TS-13 and TS-80)from a rattle can as a gloss and flat coat over my models which are painted in Tamiya Acrylics. The next step in how to varnish an acrylic painting: Lay the painting flat while varnishing, and make sure it's in a place where it can lie flat and undisturbed for a few hours while the varnish dries.If you try to varnish the painting while it's hanging on a wall, for example, the varnish will just run down the canvas and drip all over the floor. The drying process is much slower than urethane paints and leaving a coat to sit for 24 to 48 hours before applying another coat is recommended. Keep your artwork looking as good as the day it was completed by learning how to apply a varnish layer. Depending on the mix and the lacquer, enamals it can be used over lacquer. Some paints claim to be 100% acrylic but arent. Unlike paint, which is thicker and can absorb moisture in wood causing it to soften over time, lacquer is much more flexible and can adapt to the expanding and contracting of wood surfaces. Acrylic Lacquer clear coat over acrylic Enamel? The two … Post a reply. I intend to airbrush Model Master Lacquer (frist Gloss Clear Lacquer, then Flat Clear Lacquer over minis painted with GW and Vallejo acrylic paints. You cannot paint latex straight over lacquer,have to prime with lacquer undercoat. Finish. Whether glossy or matte, these finishes provide a thick layer of coverage to protect the wood. We have done quite a bit of lacquer over acrylic paints,use it for cabinets,with a decorative glaze in the detail then put lacquer over it. 4. In contrast, lacquer paint dries when the solvent has evaporated and can soften over time. Acrylic paints are commonly referred to as "water"based but the reality is that the primary solvent is alcohol. Due to the health concerns associated with 2K paint, I’ve started down the acrylic lacquer path for a full resto & repaint on my 66 Mustang. Don in Murfreesboro,Tn. This is the acrylic craft paint like you can buy at Wally World. Lacquer finish helps seal wood for lasting durability. Acrylic Lacquer: A new, low voc clear coating for wood. I would be sure and let it cure. Acrylic is also used in enamel paints, which have the advantage of not needing to be buffed to obtain a shine. Lacquer solvents run the risk of dissolving the acrylic underneath — also, any moisture in the acrylic would not be able to come up through the lacquer and may cause other problems. I would use a clear acrylic spray. A wet application can cause many paints and finishes to wrinkle or blister, even an old coat of lacquer itself. Because acrylic paint is lighter than urethane, careful consideration should also be used when selecting a primer. This is a slightly less aggressive than the solvents in lacquer thinner. Acrylic lacquer vs. nitrocellulose lacquer. Applying Varnish Clean away all wax, oil or polishes that may be on the surface of the lacquer by wiping it down with naphtha. Dad was a hack car painter, but he swore by lacquer. Our formula dries quickly, has superior adhesion to metal, and dries to a high gloss sheen. Going over paint it would be a lot safer to use an acrylic lacquer such as cab acrylic lacquer. Since lacquer is thinner than the other finishes, it is almost always applied using a sprayer instead of a roller or brush. No, the solvents in lacquer are to hot and volatile. Save Share. If the paint is light in color a nitrocellulose lacquer which is the most common will yellow and continue to yellow as it ages altering the color of the paint. I have a beautiful large acrylic painting (bought 10 years ago) of an ocean wave. Restoration Shop (AL) Acrylic Lacquer Paint System AL is a Professional Easy-To-Use Single-Stage Gloss Paint Coating System that is Designed for Automotive Refinishing and Restoration Purposes but is also used for Guitar and Furniture Refinishing. Car is in lacquer primer/filler at the moment and I’m hoping to shoot my 1st basecoat of solid white soon. Acrylic resin is colourless, transparent thermoplastic, obtained by the polymerization of derivatives of acrylic acid. The rattlecan finish was easy and cheap, but I would like something tuff. No two finishing lines are exactly the same. Gunman, thanks for the heads up on using acrylic.Been painting an old Mg and wanted the finish acrylic gives. Lacquering Over Acrylic Paint. There are risks to spraying any type of solvent lacquer over any existing, and older, paint or finish. In general, there are three major types of paints that are commonly used in model kits painting, Acrylic, Enamel and Lacquer. AL provides a long-lasting lacquer finish result that can be polished to a very high gloss. I know Ron Kirn and others love nitrocellulose lacquer. Lacquer woodwork finishes are available in a number of sheens. What is the truth about using modern varnishes or lacquers or even shellac over acrylic craft paints?? You also get a nice high gloss on the finish. The advantage of acrylic lacquer is its exceptionally fast drying time. He made beautiful finishes with both types of lacquer paint. I’m trying to be more careful since the gloss coat I used(Mr.Hobby Color Acrylic Clear Gloss) ruined the camo on my current model. But they as still acrylic paints. Measure once cut twice and it's still to short. From what I’ve read here it looks like my painting is unrepairable? So my beautiful white water wave is going ‘yellow’. I can see its the lacquer going yellow not the painting underneath the lacquer. Acrylic Lacquer is a premium Automotive formulation designed to give a lustrous durable finish. I'm sorta new to this paint business, but I'm willing to try any suggestions ya'll might have. Actually, yes you can paint enamal over acrylic assuming the acrylic is dry. General Discussion. The good news is that you can apply several different types of finishes over top of the acrylic paint to make it more durable and add a sheen. Acrylic paint is probably the most widely used paint for crafts and art projects. Acrylic lacquer paints can be costlier than acrylic enamels. Each coat provides a hard shell over the body of the car, which reduces the risk of cracking or peeling. The problem is the lacquer thinner in the lacquer. This paint is easiest for those with little to no experience painting a car, as it is inexpensive and is easy to apply. The lacquer will cause bubbling of the acrylic paint. I am about to make and paint a very large schrank (German style cabinet which serves as a closet). Since I'm working on a project that has Testors Acryl paint on it and I wanted to gloss coat it for decals, I decided to contact Testors regarding the use of their clear coat sprays. You can lacguer over Acrylic paint as long as it's 100% acrylic. ? Reply. Typically, lacquers dry very fast and you will usually need to spray them on or paint them very quickly. On adding the lacquer thinner to the silver paint I immediately noticed that it seemed to mix in a lot more thoroughly than with the X20-A acrylic thinner. And for good reason, it is easy to use, you can get acrylic paint pretty much everywhere, most acrylic paint is non-toxic, and it is quite cheap too. The painting is covered in a varnish / resin lacquer. Lacquer should not be placed over a varnish because it contains a stronger solvent than a varnish and will eventually eat away the finish underneath. Can I put a clear top coat of lacquer or shellac over acrylic paint. Another benefit to using acrylic lacquer paint on your vehicle is that it lasts a long time. Thanks Don . Though both paints can achieve a glossy and shiny finish, lacquer paints result in a thicker coat than enamel. The only problem would come from the thinner used with the enamel. Make yourself at home...read, ask and answer! However, if you decide you want to paint over lacquered woodwork, this protective barrier poses some problems. Tamiya's acrylic paints are not your typical acrylic paints. If it's mineral spirits you'll be fine...lacquer thinner however may soften the acrylic if the concentration is too high. While you still need to take good care of the car with regular washing and waxing, the lacquer provides a durable surface. Thanks. When all he could find was Acrylic lacquer he began using it. Enamels, however, are slow drying. While Tamiya's acrylics probably are not lacquers, there is no rule that says a lacquer paint cannot have an acrylic binder (hence the acrylic lacquers in the auto industry). Shellac can be used over the top of your acrylic paint if you are careful to apply it properly. Nor are the finishing standards or production goals identical from facility to facility or shop to shop. Tamiya uses alcohols and a glycol ether in addition to water as a solvent. Apply all coats of water-based lacquer with the air sprayer adjusted to a pressure of 50 psi. 2nd coat will be a metallic/pearl orange and then clear coated. In this article, we are going to go over the types of paint in modeling kits and the differences. Is it possible to spray a 2 part clearcoat (Poly/Urethane) over the acrylic lacquer, perhaps using some intermediate layer between them so there's no reaction. (3 stage ) Lacquer should always be mixed with lacquer thinner, typically in a 50/50 solution, before you apply it. My dad used to paint cars with acrylic lacquer. 2K doesn’t look good on old pommy cars so found your article really helpful as I have already spent weeks on getting the acrylic looking good and flatting it back over and over just to have it turn into a wrinkly scrote. You can see below the X20-A thinned acrylic paint on the left, and the lacquer thinned acrylic paint on the right just after mixing each one. Lacquers use a strong solvent to cover and protect wood. So, lets us have a quick review about these different type of paints. Once dry, it can be machine or hand buffed for an even glossier appearance. I tried sealcoating some arrows outdoors, and couldn't tell how much lacquer was on the arrows -- and ended up with a fuzzy/blurred/runny acrylic paint crest job on 11 out of 12 arrows. The … I do not want to buy a hundred small bottles of “craft varnish” to put over the painting. Then if the paint is black the yellow will give the finish a green tent to it. If anyone knows of a way to remove dried lacquer paint please let me know. Alcohol, water and acrylic thinners will have no effect on lacquer paints except to make an dreadful mess – you have been warned. Some members say YES others NO. The Main Benefits of Acrylic Paint Acrylic lacquer paint was used in the 1920's through to the 60's, though in some places it is illegal. , but i 'm willing to try any suggestions ya 'll might have or brush or buffed! 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